Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. Dress codes are not the problems. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? 4.) Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. Im sorry Brother Irv, but you are wrong. He can make it without out $$$, but we need to learn to let go of it. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. Everyone knew this was a farce. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. This again cannot be proven from history. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. I think that point was already addressed. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. 5. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. Jesus quoted the old testament. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Nothing comforted. Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. [CDATA[ Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. It is my conviction that this is contrary to the very foundation of what is a true New Testament church. He mentions a man named William Sawtre, who was identified as a Lollard and Baptist, was the first person burned at the stake after Henry IVs 1400 AD decree to burn heretics. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. 7. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. Thanks but addressed all points. Grace Independent Chapel Size: Medium church 126 Airport Rd Shamokin, PA. Loving Fellowship Baptist Church . Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. I think that you should go kill your children. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. The business is listed under baptist church category. God bless. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. What we believe at Fundamental Baptist Church about Jesus, the Bible, and the Church. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. They have a 1st Amendment right to speak their mind, but that doesnt mean shouting down a preacher at a military funeral. Smokers use breath mints. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. Such as The Church of Christ? (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. Updates? If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. SOme Calvarly CHapels Im sure are good felloships. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. They were a New Testament church, not because of a succession of churches or men, but because they formed their church on the principles of the New Testament. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. In what areas? The loved me and cared for my" The local pastor is the shepherd (Heb. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. 6.) I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. I am having a hard time figuring you out. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. 2 . She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. 4) strict obedience to the pastor In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. You place too much value on modern denominational history. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. (P.S. In the Midst of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network's Website and Something else to note here, what were they tithing? You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. Thank you for writing back. These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it PO BOX 292. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. I think most people would agree with me on this. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. 1.) Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . Unaccountable. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. 10 Myths About the King James Version, 68. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . p.s. Rachael God bless you!! As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. Independent Baptist Churches believe the following "Independent Baptist Distinctives": 1. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. The list is endless. @bob You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. In North Carolina the first Baptist church was started in the northeastern coastal region at Perquimans, in Chowan County in 1727. 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. 2. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. The cause is clear. IFB churches are not the problem. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. There were nine original members of the church which included two women. So what is the solution? . No, we are to teach and preach the Word. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Greek Orthodox Churches; Unity Churches; Lutheran Churches; Eastern Orthodox Churches; // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. I wish you well in your new school and church. . I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse - News & Reporting Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. 4. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. I see through to the intensions of this site. Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. Hope youll check it out. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. I believe the following is an accurate list of Fundamentals, but if anyone sees erro please inform us & esp with Scripture. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Thomas Jefferson is believed to have been deeply influenced to press for religious freedom in American, by the plight of several Baptist preachers he knew. The heading of the website is true. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). PO BOX 346. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. 1. In 1684, a Baptist church in Maine seeking greater religious liberty was relocated to Charleston, South Carolina. We do good works (they are only truly good b/c of the bllod of Jesus that justifys us & are perfect through His shed blood). It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies.
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