The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. The case capacity of the .350 Rigby is very similar to that of the .358 Norma Magnum, and the performance is likewise similar. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. Sure, you can get away with it, especially with todays extra-heavy bullets, but I think its foolish. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. As it was released in the first century of the . Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. The Swedish firm of A.B. Cartridges that in many cases cannot match the killing power, at normal hunting ranges, of comparable .35's. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. There are several reasons. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. of muzzle energy. Mag. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. and .32 Rem. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. The .358 Norma Mag. The trouble is, they didnt sell. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). R Rocky Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. from my E.R. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. Mag. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. They can take their time and pick their shots. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. Theres also a mindset difference. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. of energy at the muzzle. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. 1 Item (s) Show per page. The .300 Rem. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. I have become a 35 cal. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Campfire 'Bwana. necked up to .35 caliber. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Mag. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Thats a question I just dont understand. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. It is capable of driving a. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. Posts: 46,063. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. You bet they worked! Mag. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. 10 GA. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. I have no experience with the Norma mag. You can start with the 6.5mms. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. No, its not exactly easy on the shoulder, but its not terrible either. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. G. Joined: Sep 2009. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Whelen would not. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. .500 Nitro Express. and .35 Rem., it was an excellent woods rifle for hunting whitetails. Got a nice .270 Win MTN Rifle donor 700. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. By Layne Simpson. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. Mag. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. Out of stock View Details . Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. It was recovered in bits and pieces. If the .35 Rem. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. I was wrong. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. That does not mean that any gunsmith who had his own ideas about velocity and accuracy might not include it or go completely the other way. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. The .358 Win. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. .50 Beowulf. Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. 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