Thanks. This was not considered Secure Boot violation as ExitBootServices() was called prior to booting the kernel. to your account, Hello That's not at all how I see it (and from what I read above also not @ventoy sees it). Already on GitHub? Legacy\UEFI32\UEFI64 boot? to be used in Super GRUB2 Disk. No! It works for me if rename extension to .img - tested on a Lenovo IdeaPad 300. And, for any of this to work, Ventoy would still need to independently solve the problem of allowing unsigned bootloaders pass through when Secure Boot is enabled @ventoy If the secure boot is enabled in the BIOS, the following screen should be displayed when boot Ventoy at thte first time. Besides, I'm considering that: I'll try looking into the changelog on the deb package and see if backbox-7-desktop-amd64.iso - 2.47 GB, emmabuntus-de3-amd64-10.3-1.01.iso - 3.37 GB, pentoo-full-amd64-hardened-2019.2.iso - 4 GB privacy statement. So the new ISO file can be booted fine in a secure boot enviroment. Format XFS in Linux: sudo mkfs -t xfs /dev/sdb1, It may be related to the motherboard USB 2.0/3.0 port. 7. I found that on modern systems (those not needing legacy boot) that using the GPT boot partition version (UEFI) only is a lot more reliable. wifislax64-2.1-final.iso - 2 GB, obarun-JWM-2020.03.01-x86_64.iso - 1.6 GB, MiniTool_Partition_Wizard_10.2.3_Technician_WinPE.iso - 350 MB, artix-cinnamon-s6-20200210-x86_64.iso - 1.88 GB, Parrot-security-4.8_x64.iso - 4.03 GB Just like what is the case with Ventoy, I don't have much of an issue with having some leeway, on account that implementing proper signature validation requires some effort, during which unsigned bootloaders may be accepted, so as not inconvenience users too much. All the userspace applications don't need to be signed. For more information on how to download and install Ventoy on Windows 10/11, we have a guide for that. So I think that also means Ventoy will definitely impossible to be a shim provider. Tried with archlinux-2021.05.01-x86_64 which is listed as compatible and it is working flawlessly. By clicking Sign up for GitHub, you agree to our terms of service and The Flex image does not support BIOS\Legacy boot - only UEFI64. Some modern systems are not compatible with Windows 7 UEFI64 (may hang) Again, it doesn't matter whether you believe it makes sense to have Secure Boot enabled or not. Option 1: doesn't support secure boot at all Windows 10 32bit Thus, being able to check that an installer or boot loader wasn't tampered with is not a "nice bonus" but is something that must be enforced always in a Secure Boot enabled environment, regardless of the type of media you are booting from, because Secure Boot is very much designed to help users ensure that, when they install an OS, and provided that OS has a chain of trust that extends all the way, any alteration of any of the binary code that the OS executes, be it as part of the installation or when the OS is running, will be detected and reported to the user and prevent the altered binary code to run. It was working for hours before finally failing with a non-specific error. Ventoy loads Linux kernels directly, which are also signed with embedded Shim certificate (not with the certificate trusted by EFI DB). Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. ParagonMounter Ventoy virtualizes the ISO as a cdrom device and boot it. 2. . You literally move files around and use a text editor to edit theme.text, ventoy.json, and so on. On my other Laptop from other Manufacturer is booting without error. Ventoy 1.0.55 is available already for download. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1401532. P.S. The MISO_EFI partition contains only 1 folder called "efi" and another folder in it called "boot" which contains a single file called "bootx64.efi.". You signed in with another tab or window. Tested below ISOs on HP ENVY x360- 13-ag0007au (1st-gen Ryzen Mobile convertible laptop, BIOS F.46 Rev.A) with Ventoy 1.0.08 final release in UEFI secure boot mode: Nice job and thanks a lot for this neat tool! Because if I know you ever used Ventoy in a Secure Boot enabled environment, I can now run any malicious payload I want at the UEFI level, on your computer. It's the BIOS that decides the boot mode not Ventoy. I've been studying doing something like that for UEFI:NTFS in case Microsoft rlinquishes their stupid "no GPLv3" policy on Secure Boot signing, and I don't see it as that difficult when there are UEFI APIs you can rely on to do the 4 steps I highlighted. I've tried Debian itself, Kubuntu, NEON, and Proxmox, and all freeze after being selected in the Ventoy menu. In Windows, Ventoy2Disk.exe will only list the device removable and in USB interface type by default. Guiding you with how-to advice, news and tips to upgrade your tech life. Already on GitHub? (This post was last modified: 08-06-2022, 10:49 PM by, (This post was last modified: 08-08-2022, 01:23 PM by, (This post was last modified: 08-08-2022, 05:52 PM by, https://forums.ventoy.net/showthread.phpt=minitool, https://rmprepusb.blogspot.com/2018/11/art-to.html. Happy to be proven wrong, I learned quite a bit from your messages. That is just to make sure it has really written the whole Ventoy install onto the usb stick. So use ctrl+w before selecting the ISO. I can 3 options and option 3 is the default. I've already disabled secure boot. BIOS Mode Both Partition Style GPT Disk . 1.0.84 MIPS www.ventoy.net ===> Will there be any? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mv6Cbew_y8&t=1m13s. Maybe the image does not support X64 UEFI" So, yeah, if you have access to to the hardware, then Secure Boot, TPM or whatever security measure you currently have on consumer-grade products, is pretty much useless because, as long as you can swap hardware components around, or even touch the hardware (to glitch the RAM for instance), then unless the TPM comes with an X-Ray machine that can scan and compare hardware components, you're going to have a very hard time plugging all the many holes through which a dedicated attacker can gain access to your data. This could be due to corrupt files or their PC being unable to support secure boot. The file formats that Ventoy supports include ISO, WIM, IMG, VHD(x), EFI files. Thanks a lot. Well occasionally send you account related emails. I remember that @adrian15 tried to create a sets of fully trusted chainload chains to be used in Super GRUB2 Disk. I tested live GeckoLinux STATIC Plasma 152 (based on openSUSE) with ventoy-1.0.15. Please refer github issue/1975, x86 Legacy BIOS, IA32 UEFI, x86_64 UEFI, ARM64 UEFI and MIPS64EL UEFI. Thank you The main point of Secure Boot is to prevent (or at least warn about) the execution of bootloaders that have not been vetted by Microsoft or one of the third parties that Microsoft signed a shim for (such as Red Hat). For instance, it could be that only certain models of PC have this problem with certain specific ISOs. Boot net installer and install Debian. With that with recent versions, all seems to work fine. MediCAT This could be useful for data recovery, OS re-installation, or just for booting from USB without thinking about additional steps. @pbatard, if that's what what your concern, that could be easily fixed by deleting grubia32.efi and grubx64.efi in /EFI/BOOT, and renaming grubia32_real.efi grubia32.efi, grubx64_real.efi grubx64.efi. Delete or rename the \EFI folder on the VTOYEFI partition 2 of the Ventoy drive. 1All the steps bellow only need to be done once for each computer when booting Ventoy at the first time. Users enabled Secure Boot to be warned if a boot loader fails Secure Boot validation, regardless of where that bootloader is executed from. SB works using cryptographic checksums and signatures. After install, the 1st larger partition is empty, and no files or directories in it. It says that no bootfile found for uefi. For these who select to bypass secure boot. It should be specially noted that, no matter USB drive or local disk, all the data will be lost after install Ventoy, please be very careful. Windows 11 21h2 x64 Hebrew - Successfully tested on UFEI. I'll think about it and try to add it to ventoy. It does not contain efi boot files. The problem of manjaro-kde-20.0-pre1-stable-staging-200406-linux56.iso in UEFI booting was an issue in ISO file , resolved on latest released ISO today : @FadeMind It's what Secure Boot is designed to do on account of being a trust chain mechanism that, when enabled, MUST alert if trust is broken. Reboot your computer and select ventoy-delete-key-1.-iso. Again, I think it is very fair to say that, if you use use Ventoy on a Secure Boot enabled system, and you went through Ventoy Secure Boot enrolment, they you expect that ISOs that aren't Secure Boot compliant will be reported, as they would with other means of using them on that system. By the way, since I do want to bring that message home for people who might be tempted to place a bit too much trust in TPMs, disk encryption and Secure Boot, what the NSA would most likely do, if they wanted to access your encrypted disk data on an x86 PC, is issue a secret executive order to Intel or AMD, to design special version of the CPU they need, where the serial can be altered programmatically (so that they can clone the serial from the original CPU in case the TPM checks it) and that includes additional logic and EPROM to detect and store the critical data (such as disk decryption keys) when accessed. @ventoy But even the user answer "YES, I don't care, just boot it." privacy statement. "+String(e)+r);return new Intl.NumberFormat('en-US').format(Math.round(569086*a+n))}var rng=document.querySelector("#restoro-downloads");rng.innerHTML=gennr();rng.removeAttribute("id");var restoroDownloadLink=document.querySelector("#restoro-download-link"),restoroDownloadArrow=document.querySelector(".restoro-download-arrow"),restoroCloseArrow=document.querySelector("#close-restoro-download-arrow");if(window.navigator.vendor=="Google Inc."){restoroDownloadLink.addEventListener("click",function(){setTimeout(function(){restoroDownloadArrow.style.display="flex"},500),restoroCloseArrow.addEventListener("click",function(){restoroDownloadArrow.style.display="none"})});}. Yet, that is technically what Ventoy does if you enrol it for Secure Boot, as it makes it look like any bootloader, that wasn't signed by Microsoft, was signed by Microsoft. Now there's no need to format the disk again and again or to extract anything-- with Ventoy simply copy the ISO file to the USB drive and boot it. Nierewa Junior Member. In other words, that there might exist other software that might be used to force the door open is irrelevant. @adrian15, could you tell us your progress on this? https://osdn.net/projects/manjaro/storage/kde/, manjaro-kde-20.0-rc3-200422-linux56.iso BOOT So, Ventoy can also adopt that driver and support secure boot officially. That is the point. So I apologise for that. Even debian is problematic with this laptop. So, I'm trying to install Arch, but after selecting Arch from Ventoy I keep getting told that "No Bootfile found for UEFI! I'm not sure how Ventoy can make use of that boot process, because, in a Secure Boot enabled environment, all UEFI:NTFS accomplishes is that it allows you to chain load a Secure Boot signed UEFI boot loader from an NTFS partition, and that's it. If Ventoy was intended to be used from an internal hard disk, I would agree with you, but Ventoy is a USB-based multiboot solution and therefore the user must have physical access to the system, so it is the users responsibility to be careful about what he inserts into that USB port. and select the efisys.bin from desktop and save the .iso Now the Minitool.iso should boot into UEFI with Ventoy. Does shim still needed in this case? Most of modern computers come with Secure Boot enabled by default, which is a requirement for Windows 10 certification process. It should be specially noted that, no matter USB drive or local disk, all the data will be lost after install Ventoy, please be very careful. can u test ? The current release of Slax (slax-64bit-11.2.1.iso) fails to boot using UEFI64 using ventoy with the error message: The BIOS decides to boot Ventoy in Legacy BIOS mode or in UEFI mode. Format UDF in Windows: format x: /fs:udf /q But, even as I don't actually support the idea that Secure Boot is useless if someone has physical access to the device (that was mostly Steve positing this as a means to justify that not being able to detect Secure Boot breaches on USB media isn't that big a deal), I do believe there currently still exist a bit too many ways to ensure that you can compromise a machine, if you have access to said machine. https://abf.openmandriva.org/product_build_lists. However, after adding firmware packages Ventoy complains Bootfile not found. memz.mp4. That's an improvement, I guess? Especially, UEFI:NTFS is not a SHIM, and I don't maintain a set of signatures that I allow binaries signed with through. en_windows_10_business_editions_version_2004_updated_may_2020_x64_dvd_aa8db2cc.iso Already on GitHub? JonnyTech's response seems the likely circumstance - however: I've Yes. Would be nice if this could be supported in the future as well. How to mount the ISO partition in Linux after boot ? evrything works fine with legacy mode. orel-2.12.22-26.12.2019_13.14.livecd.iso - 1.1 GB If Secure Boot is not enabled, proceed as normal. I can guarantee you that if you explain the current situation to the vast majority of Ventoy users who enrolled it in a Secure Boot environment, they will tell you that this is not what they expected at all and that what they want, once enrolled, is for Ventoy to only let through UEFI boot loaders that can be validated for Secure Boot and produce the expected Secure Boot warning for the ones that don't. Keep reading to find out how to do this. I cannot boot into Ventoy with Secure Boot enabled on my machine though, it only boots when I disable Secure Boot in BIOS. ^^ maybe a lenovo / thinkpad / thinkcentre issue ? You can have BIOS with TPM and disk encryption and, provided your hardware manufacturer implements anti tampering protection to ensure that the TPM is not sharing data it shouldn't share with parts of the system that should not be trusted, it should be no less secure than TPM-based encryption on a Secure Boot enabled system. 5. extservice If anyone has Secure Boot enabled, there should be no scenario where an unsigned bootloader gets executed without at least a big red warning, even if the user indicated that they were okay with that. If someone has physical access to a system and that system is enabled to boot from a USB drive, then all they need to do is boot to an OS such as Ubuntu or WindowsPE or WindowsToGo from that USB drive (these OS's are all signed and so will Secure boot). accomodate this. Maybe the image does not support x64 uefi. gsrd90 New Member. How did you get it to be listed by Ventoy? I made Super UEFIinSecureBoot Disk with that exact purpose: to bypass Secure Boot validation policy. Just right-click on "This PC" on the desktop, select "Manage", and click on "Disk Management . Shims and other Secure Boot signed chain loaders do not remove the feature of warning about boot loaders that have not been signed (by either MS or the Shim holders). No bootfile found for UEFI! Thank you for your suggestions! It supports x86 Legacy BIOSx86 Legacy BIOS,x86_64 UEFIx86_64 UEFI, ARM64 UEFI, IA32 UEFI and MIPS64EL UEFI. Option1: Use current solution(Super UEFIinSecureBoot Disk), then user will be clearly told that, in this case, the secure boot will be by passed. ventoy.json should be placed at the 1st partition which has the larger capacity (The partition to store ISO files). I'm afraid I'm very busy with other projects, so I haven't had a chance. if the, When the user is away, clone the encrypted disk and replace their existing CPU with the slightly altered model (after making sure to clone the CPU serial). Option 2: bypass secure boot When user check the Secure boot support option then only run .efi file with valid signature is select. And I will posit that if someone sees it differently, or tries to justify the current behaviour of Ventoy, of letting any untrusted bootloaders pass through when Secure Boot is enabled, they don't understand trust chains, whereas this is pretty much the base of any computer security these days. The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: tails-amd64-4.5.iso Legacy tested with VM I can provide an option in ventoy.json for user who want to bypass secure boot. This filesystem offers better compatibility with Window OS, macOS, and Linux. Remove the Windows 7 installation CD/DVD from the disc tray, type exit in Command Prompt and press Enter. I you want to spare yourself some setup headaches, take a USB crafted as a Ventoy or SG2D USB that contains KL ISO files, directly. New version of Rescuezilla (2.4) not working properly. Maybe I can get Ventoy's grub signed with MS key. Oh and obviously, once that is done, Ventoy will need to make sure that it's not possible to run an older versions of it, in a Secure Boot environment where a newer version has been enrolled, as it would still defeat the whole thing. I see your point, this CorePlus ISO is indeed missing that EFI file. These WinPE have different user scripts inside the ISO files. Now, if Microsoft finally relinquished their abusive policy about not accepting GPLv3 code for Secure Boot signing and Ventoy was updated not to allow unsigned bootloaders when Secure Boot is enabled (i.e. Ventoy About File Checksum 1. I suspect that, even as we are not there yet, this is something that we're eventually going to see (but most likely as a choice for the user to install the fully secured or partially secured version of the OS), culminating in OSes where every single binary that runs needs to be signed, and for the certificates those binaries are signed with to be in the chain of trust of OS. Expect working results in 3 months maximum. *lil' bow* eficompress infile outfile. First and foremost, disable legacy boot (AKA BIOS emulation). Sign in You signed in with another tab or window. Hi FadeMind, the woraround for that Problem with WinPE10_8_Sergei_Strelec_x86_x64_2019.12.28_English.iso is that you must copy the SSTR to the root of yout USB drive than all apps are avalaible. Sorry for the late test. I have installed Ventoy on my USB and I have added ISO file: "Win10SupperLite_TeamOS_Edition.iso" They can't eliminate them totally, but they can provide an additional level of protection. downloaded from: http://old-dos.ru/dl.php?id=15030. Fedora-Security-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20200526.n.0 - 1.95 GB, guix-system-install-1.1.0.x86_64-linux.iso - 550 MB, ipfire-2.25.x86_64-full-core143.iso - 280 MB, SpringdaleLinux-8.1-x86_64-netinst.iso - 580 MB, Acronis.True.Image.2020.v24.6.1.25700.Boot.CD.iso - 690 MB, O-O.BlueCon.Admin.17.0.7024.WinPE.iso - 480 MB, adelie-live-x86_64-1.0-rc1-20200202.iso - 140 MB, fhclive-USB-2019.02_kernel-4.4.178_amd64.iso - 450 MB, MiniTool.Partition.Wizard.Technician.WinPE.11.5.iso - 390 MB, AOMEI.Backupper.Technician.Plus.5.6.0_UEFI.iso - 380 MB, O-O.DiskImage.Professional.14.0.321.WinPE.iso - 380 MB, EaseUS.Data.Recovery.Wizard.WinPE.13.2.iso - 390 MB, Active.Boot.Disk.15.0.6.x64.WinPE.iso - 400 MB, Active.Data.Studio.15.0.0.Boot.Disk.x64.iso - 550 MB, EASEUS.Partition.Master.13.5.Technician.Edition.WinPE.x64.iso - 500 MB, Macrium_Reflect_Workstation_PE_v7.2.4797.iso - 280 MB, Paragon.Hard.Disk.Manager.Advanced.17.13.1.x64.WinPE.iso - 400 MB, Passware.Kit.Forensic.2017.1.1.Win.10-64bit.BootCD.iso - 350 MB, orel-2.12.22-26.12.2019_13.14.livecd.iso - 1.1 GB, rocksolid-signage-release-installer-1.13.4-1.iso - 1.3 GB, manjaro-kde-20.0-rc3-200422-linux56.iso - 3 GB, OpenStage-2020.03-xfce4-x86_64.iso - 1.70 GB, resilientlinux-installer-amd64-2.2.iso - 2.20 GB, virage-beowulf-3.0-x86-64-UEFI-20191110_1146.iso - 1.30 GB, BlackWeb-Unleashed.19.11-amd64.hybrid.iso - 3 GB, yunohost-stretch-3.6.4.6-amd64-stable.iso - 400 MB, OpenMandrivaLx.4.2-snapshot-plasma.x86_64.iso - 2.10 GB Again, the major problem I see with this fine discussion is that everybody appears to be tiptoeing around the fact that some users have no clue what Secure Boot is intended for (only that, because it says "Secure" they don't want to turn it off), and, rather than trying to educate them about that, we're trying to find ways to keep them "feeling safe" when the choices they might make would leave their system anything but. I have absolutely no problem with letting the user choose if they want to run a bootloader that failed Secure Boot validation, and I think this might be the better way to do it indeed. Any kind of solution? Does it work on these machines (real or emulated) by booting it from a CDR / .iso image? An encoding issue, perhaps (for the text)? Background Some of us have bad habits when using USB flash drive and often pull it out directly. Ventoy version and details of options chosen when making it (Legacy\MBR\reserved space) Any suggestions, bugs? () no boot file found for uefi. Code that is subject to such a license that has already been signed might have that signature revoked. edited edited edited edited Sign up for free . For secure boot please refer Secure Boot . @ValdikSS Thanks, I will test it as soon as possible. You can open the ISO in 7zip and look for yourself. . Yes. Adding an efi boot file to the directory does not make an iso uefi-bootable. All the .efi/kernel/drivers are not modified. Ventoy has added experimental support for IA32 UEFI since v1.0.30. In the install program Ventoy2Disk.exe. You can reformat it with FAT32/NTFS/UDF/XFS/Ext2/Ext3/Ext4 filesystem, the only request is that Cluster Size must greater than or equal to 2048. Ventoy is an open source tool that lets you create a bootable USB drive for ISO files. The boot.wim mode appears to be over 500MB. Click Bootable > Load Boot File. 3. try 1.0.09 beta1? Heck, in the absolute, if you have the means (And please note here that I'm not saying that any regular Joe, who doesn't already have access to the whole gammut of NSA resources, can do it), you can replace the CPU with your own custom FPGA, and it's pretty much game over, as, apart from easy to defeat matters such as serial number check, your TPM will be designed to work with anything that remotely looks like a CPU, and if you communicate with it like a CPU would, it'll happily help you access whatever data you request such as decrypted disk content. @pbatard, have you tested it? 2.-verificar que la arquitectura de la imagen iso sea compatible con el procesador, 1.-modo uefi: Did you test using real system and UEFI64 boot? https://nyancat.fandom.com/wiki/MEMZ_Nyan_Cat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mv6Cbew_y8&t=1m13s. Maybe the image does not support X64 UEFI. Which brings us nicely to what this is all about: Mitigation. Error : @FadeMind This file is not signed by Microsoft for 'Secure Boot' - do you still wish to boot from it? However, I guess it should be possible to automatically enroll ALL needed keys to shim from grub module on the first boot (when the user enrolls my ENROLL_THIS_CERT_INTO_MOKMANAGER.crt) and handle unsigned efi binaries as a special case or just require to sign them with user-generated key? WinPE10_8_Sergei_Strelec_x86_x64_2019.12.28_English.iso BOOT but Custom launcher cannot open custom path and unable access to special apps. Is it valid for Ventoy to be able to run user scripts, inject user files into Linux/Windows ram disks, change .cfg files in 'secure' ISOs, etc. When the user select option 1. However, considering that in the case of Ventoy, you are basically going to chain load GRUB 2, and that most of the SHIMs have been designed to handle precisely that, it might be easier to get Ventoy accepted as a shim payload. Ventoy also supports BIOS Legacy. Both are good. 1All the steps bellow only need to be done once for each computer when booting Ventoy at the first time. slax 15.0 boots Have a question about this project? Google for how to make an iso uefi bootable for more info. Ventoy is open-source software that allows users to create ISO, WIM, IMG, VHS(x), and EFI files onto a bootable USB drive. I don't remember if the shortcut is ctrl i or ctrl r for grub mode. By the way, this issue could be closed, couldn't it? Anything Debian-based fails to boot for me across two computers and several versions of Ventoy. After boot into the Ventoy main menu, pay attention to the lower left corner of the screen: Thanks! You can press left or right arrow keys to scroll the menu. It's a bug I introduced with Rescuezilla v2.4. I really fail to fathom how people here are disputing that if someone agrees to enroll Ventoy in a Secure Boot environment, it only means that they agree to trust the Ventoy application, and not that they grant it the right to just run whatever bootloader anybody will now be able to throw at their computer through Ventoy (which may very well be a malicious bootloader ran by someone who is not the owner of that computer but who knows or hopes that the user enrolled Ventoy). https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm64/aarch64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-arm64-aarch64-disc1.iso. If you really want to mount it, you can use the experimental option VTOY_LINUX_REMOUNT in Global Control Plugin.
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